of nasi tumpang; souls; and the communion of the like minded.....

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From: tsming
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 7:51 PM
To: drnikisahak@hotmail.com ; ru.@gmail.com
Subject: After food for the stomach ..,

nik howk & ru,

Guys, Thanks for honouring me at our dinner table. Here’s some further food - for thought - sent to me by a friend:

Once there was a man with four wives. He loved them all in varying degrees, the level of affection in inverse order to their position as wife.

The man fell very ill and knew that he is going to die soon. He dread the loneliness of the grave and just felt he needed company there.
He told himself, "I have four wives with me. I will take one of them along with me when I die to keep company in my death."
Thus, he asked the fourth wife, the one he loved most, to die along with him. "No way!" she replied and walked away without another word.
He asked his third wife. She said "Life is so good over here. I'm going to remarry when you die".
He then asked his second wife. She said "Sorry - can't help you this time. I can only accompany you to the burial.”
By now his heart sank and turned cold. Then a voice called out: "I'll die and accompany you . I'll follow you no matter wheree you go."

He looked up and there was his first wife. She looked absolutely skinny, famished and dressed in rags. The man was overcome with  sadness and remorse, 
"I should have taken much better care of you while I could have!"

ru and nik howk,

Actually, we all have four wives in our lives.

a. The fourth wife is our body. No matter  how much time , money and effort we lavish in making it look good, it'll leave us when we die.

b. The third wife is our possessions, status and wealth. When we die, they move on to others.

c. the second wife is our family and friends. No matter how close they had been there for us when we're alive, the furthest they can stay by us is up to the grave.

d. the first wife is our soul,
neglected in our pursuit of material
wealth and pleasure. It is actually the only thing that follows us to the grace and beyond!

ming

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tanseri and ru,

''they are asking thee concerning the soul. say: The soul is by command of my Lord, and of knowledge ye have been vouchsafed but little. [ surah al isra', 17 ]

i meant to tell you guys the nature of  the souls as an after dinner dessert, but thot to myself i better keep it to myself in case i put my wrong foot forwards, and got slammed again by ts,  but since you brought it up i have got a license now to let you guys into my secret story of the soul......

it is sadly more profound than your good friend's banter, i am afraid.

dont ask me about sanad though.

i am no dr maza and the story  is certainly without sanad....😊😊😊
it is not 'hasan ' , 'soheeh' or  even dhoif', if you have to ask me.

if all 'stories' must have sanads  it would be a boring world indeed...

i just collect  from here and there that i picked from  my readings of  martin lings ''the 11th hour'';  to gai eaton's ''islam and the destiny of man'' and shaykh abdul qadir al jalani's 'the relevations of the unseen'.......all rubbish material according to your favourite dr maza and the likes of  his side kicks like dr rozmie ramli

what the marcoses, ntr , rusmah , vincent tan , donald trump,and the mugabes of the world share in common is not just about money......they share this inherent psychological desire to make sure their cucus and grand cucus will be well supplied with the 'basic' necessities of life up to the 7th generations.

and their basic is way beyond the likes of you and me!

the secret they think is the genetic linkage... the double helix series of aminoacids predetermined by their inheritance to them....so they think. 

but that is only the duniwi aspect of man......
not even half of the formullae.

from the other half , the more important half that is , the souls, we bear no relations with with our dad, uncles or sons and daughters! 
very shocking indeed!

while we are all in charge of our children and wife, we have to give them the best shelter, education, ugama upbringing  etc  etc and etc that our 'meagre rezeki' can provide..  
admittedly yours tanser and ru , are not meagre of course by any measure of things!

anything extra,any sedekah must be addressed to the next of kins first and then near relatives etc etc, and only then friends in general and others...
this is not just from any 'tom dick and harry' hadith but quranic injunction.

islam does not encourage nepotism, though.

sedekah to near relatives must be from our on lot , not from the common wealth of the country!
certainly not from oneamgedebe!

but let us examine when we were in our mum's uterus . 

all pregnant uteri have one malaikat each to look after them......

[  dato z is going to send me to the mad house for saying this. he is a 100 % materialist who dont subscribe to this nonsense  on the al ghaiba ]

at four months allah orders that malaikat to breath in a soul taken from the 'soul bank' up in the periphery of the arash.

a soul accompanies you and me at about four month's conception.
just not any souls.
HE 'handpicked' and determine which goes where and when over the milleniums...

from there we grow spiritually or non spiritually, depending on the effort of our parents, social environment,and qada and qadar.

in adulthood we have brothers and sisters, cousins and uncles and aunties.

we can be different mostly in academic spiritual and religious orientations and instinctual leanings.

most of the time different, oftentimes similar.

muhammad asad can be the best well known european jew to revert to islam.

his son, talal asad could well be prof of sociology at in the usa with very secular academic views and orientations.

you have heard of nabi lot with a wife that refused to follow him.

....or nabi ibrahim and his dad, the idol maker.

or one can be noah and his son..

or nabi muhmmad and his uncle abi talib.

now we come to the sufi picture of things....

and this is the shocking part of the story...

allah's decides from where HE picks up the soul to be 'inserted' in our mum's uterus.

there are souls and souls going round and round the arash, according to the  sufi story.

those closest circumferentially to the arash are the souls of para ambiya and para awliya and  a wee bit out the para shuhada and the muqarabin....outwardly will be the common travellers like most of us 99.999 %;  and outermost those of the secular humanists and the kuffar and outermost still, the false ulama, false scholars, and the al munafikuns.

in death and after death these souls will get back to the original configurations.

our brothers in faith, encircling the arash, may not be our brothers due to blood linkages......and that is a sad fact we have to live with.

again ts and ru,,no sanad, just my readings here and there to prepare us all with dissapointments and sadness that our children and wife or wives may not necessarily all be following us!

which bring me back to tsming's brief elucidation and partial explanation of qada and qadr that night over nasi tumpang , which was the best anyway on this side of the atmosphere, so far , according to my erudite tastebuds!

sayyedina ali when asked what is ' free will ',by a bedoiun  sahabat, answered.

" please lift your right foot'' , in which the sahabat readily lifted his right foot.

'' that my friend is free will''

''now lift your left as well''..and the sahabat cannot..

'' that my friend is allah's qada and qadar''

this yet again will fail the sanad test , according to dr maza.

....we are all born alone  and when we die we will be again alone.

but in the blue yonder we will get back to the encircling circle of souls doing the 'tawaf' around the arash.

the communion of like minded.
we will be amongst friends.
we will be amongst people of faith.
we will be amongst those we love!

tanseri and ru, whether we like it or not, we are soul mates!, insyaallah

allahualam!

nik howk

[  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y58jT-YgdP0   ]

...'' alastu birabb bikum ? '' [ am i not your lord? ]
''  bala shahidna! '' [ most definitely YOU are!  ]

manifestation of allah's beautiful names.........

this one  year i thought i have 'bala' raining down on me like nobody's business.
one after another. 1st that 'nasty letter' from lhdn ,in mid 2018, which relegated me now to being a permanent  employee' for the lembaga till 2024!!

then the nearly botched annual family umrah in december. 
following umrah, a rather protracted flu and bronchitis lasting months.
as if this is not enough, midway in the year i became a 'victim' to a phone scam which cost me quite a sum . 
looking back it was stupid of me!
those rascals sitting over one table having their late morning coffee must have enjoyed themselves immensely.

for those you guys who are going to be conned, my advice is to not bother about reporting it to the police.
buat sakit hati saja, 

" your loss is very small doc, 2 weeks ago a dato got conned for half a million rm! ", the inspector in his haste to finish his job, wrote your part, out of his previous case report! i caught him there, and he was not even embarassed.
to him, you are just another statistics for his yearly file audit.
no further investigations.

then followed by a horse riding accident that nearly landed myself a paraplegic.
a double major spinal operation with multi-level spinal fusion followed.
two months on, and i still has significant sciatica, and two intraspinal injections later, and three spinal mri and ct scans,i am still walking around like an OKU.
sciatica still persist!

a repeat  spinal surgery is in order in one to two weeks time.

after a lot of 'ya latif' and 'ya salam', i am still at a loss!

until this morning, shaykh mokhtar magrhoui's discourse on 'manifestations of allah divine names', give me a window of  greater spiritual understanding, mashaaallah


[  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u755g3fu6w&t=20s  ]


 along with HIS ya jameel and ya rahman, HE is also ya jalal..
HE is ya aziz, and also ya muntakim and ya mutakkabir.

as if these are not enough,HE is also ya jabbar and ya qahhar.....


what is meant to be, will be.
what is not meant to be, will not be.

mashaallah!


now, my ya latif, ya latif ya latif ya latif.........ya salam , ya salam, ya salam , ya salam....
become more comprehensible....and more required.

ya allah,

[ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg1tek66Tqs  ]

a new sport called leap frogging, etc etc and etc......

after a sumptious dinner at my good friend ts wae ming's under stated elegant pondok perched way up on a small hillock somewhere in taman melawati, ru, another old classmate of mine asked me cheekily to look into my 'crystal ball' at the future of local politics back home.
we by then were all high on nasi kerabu , laksa kelantan and an east coast delicacy called kueh akod that is guranteed to give one instant diabetes.....

ru, a veteran oil man,  who hails from the back water of melur, kelantan, but now commute between his offices in paris and bangkok,  has been an ardent fan of thai politics lately. so impressed was he about the progress of development in land south of singgoro, he thought we malaysians , especially our politicians, should take a leaf or two from them.

" nik howk, you should come over to singgoro....the thais , despite the brutal days of old during thaksin's time, has built a brand new large airport at narathiwat, even pilgrims can now fly to makkah even without setting foot to hadyai's international airport!
we back home, the kelantanese still need to fly to kl to do just that!...it is all about plying back the oil money  from the south back to the  south......we back home in kb still have dirty beaches and  crowded roads and zero wang ehsang petronas yet!....all going to your new home state,teganung....so rich that i heard from the grapevine the state  is going to build another brand new istana on pulau duyung,despite the recent new one  that cost 1.2 b of taxpayers money near chendering!...i hope this is just a rumour.....if this is a state project, certainly not good for the royalties at this point in time to be seen with excessive extravagance....state politician thinks only on a five year basis.....pea brain thinking", he opined.

" well ru, petronas wang ehsan is a long story and let us not open old wounds. 
i was not a big fan of tun m years back and you know that. 

now ru, i am a new tdm convert and why not..... anyone who can put that principal national clown and all his dirty associates all behind bars earn my respect......5 billion usd is not small change mind you... "
[  https://drnikisahak.blogspot.com/2018/06/tok-bali-re-revisited-ecrl-najib-and.html ]

" but ru, back to your request about me looking into my crystal ball, i think our host here, wae ming, could read balls better than me...we should ask him

after years of doing tafseer blog, i dont go crystal ball gazing anymore....i do not think it is sharie compliant!...... i have graduated to something higher... a much higher plane.....i read minds now!.....though i have to check with local ustaz whether it is ok  "

' ok nik howk, let us see what you read.....and i will check and tell you whether it concurs with what my  balls tells me..  i think i am more liberal than you...gazing at balls is still my passion.", wae ming interjecting , rather teasingly.

"ok ts ming.
let us start with the most principal of all players...the ultimate chess player as i call him today, our tdm.

rightfully or wrongfully, i know for a fact. and i feel it is 'soheeh' now that the old man cannot see dsai as his successor. otherwise dsai would have by now  some form of position.
bodoh bodoh he would be heading a committee of parliementarians looking at parliment reform or something.

dont ask me why, but i think tdm thinks malaysia is not yet liberal enough to accept a character such as dsai as the next pm!
tdm is also not yet liberal enough !

he is rocking the pakatan's boat by admitting the seven clowns from the old amenu including the one from jeli. ...shall we call them leaping frogs, though ibrahim ali is less complimentary recently in the cameroon highland bye election. he opined there is now no frogs in jeli , just jumping monkeys..'.beruk melompat '......i say monkeys here just to be civil and polite.!

tdm thinks he can get more 'jumping monkeys'  to his side, but for the present , 7 is enough.  
the old man is playing his future moves close to his chest. he is a consumate chess player, i am sure you guys can agree with me on that...

unlike what you guys think about doctors having all plans a, b and c, well scrutinized and thought off well ahead...actually a lot of our work involved ad hocking along the way, adjusting and adapting to the ongoing ball game and tempo of play. we as a specie, like to play god more than the rest!

tun m is just doing that even though he has a general plan, he also ad hoc a lot and only when it is necesary.....the exquisite and exact timing of when to adhoc...that separates the master from the rest of the boys!.

any evidence of an implosion occuring in pakatan from the joint partners, dap and pkr, will set things in motion. the old man is an expert at both controlled and organized implosion and uncontrolled,disorganized implosion. 

his training starts way back in langkawi when you,  ts ming and ru  and myself, were still running around in our kain lamping........diapers was still unknown then!


i got words that one of the 'jumping monkeys' right now are even nursing an ambition to be the economics minister. he is already assuming the  present one will move one step up!..omg! that is presumptious of him.
but that is politics...but on the positive side, that reflect however his professionalism. the present economics minister is still not on the ball.....still fighting shadows.

my contacts within the grapevine tell me yesterday this jumping monkey is trying to garner in some 'economic' brains to be in his think tank already! 
so very ambitious this 'jumping monkey'.....and so sure.

down the scale we have dsai, the man who wanted to be pm even ages ago while in mckk.
i reckon if  an implosion within pakatan harapan does not happen as expected due to the dap wanting to stay in the cabinet at whatever cost, and we certainly cannot rule this out as they have been waiting for this opportunity to be on this side of governance for over 50 years!.
their marraige with pkr is just a marriage of convenience.
if this happened, our man  dsai here will be very much left in the cold!..
an implosion will happen in pkr itself, weakening it by half!

the ultimate chess player has this consideration in his mind....remember you ask me to read minds.
he is also prepared for a totally disorganised implosion ie dap join force with pkr and go against him .

he would go for the rest of the 'jumping monkeys' and at worst may even call on the ugama party with the headless chicken running it to join force!

with azmin and his band of followers..... dap and whatever left of pkr can go and fly kites!

here tdm will be  in slightly deep water, ru and ts ming.
will the rest of the jumping monkey from amenu join him?

this is where the semenyeh factor comes in. 
this is a wee bit sakit perut for the old man.
bng may win semenyeh and will have a new found confidence.
no more jumping monkeys or leaping frog! bng with PAS may be the next gomen..come ge15

if bng lose semenyeh, tdm can tell dap can go and fly kite if they do not want to play the game his way....he can still govern. "

"ok nik howk, so far i can agree with you....and that is what i see things are unfolding...the only sadness would be after all these, institiutional reforms will never come to fruition...but  then tdm is tdm, ..leopard never cxhange its spots.",
our gracious host interjected. " 

ru, who has been quiet all this while finally added his brilliance.
"reform will finally come ts,  i think, with the proviso future governments do not have the two third majority..give them time...the catharsis is not yet over. "

" on that count i do agree with you ru......the common man on the street will continue to complain  and make loud animal noise since that roti canai and tea tarik still cost more than 3 ringgit and toll has not come down and petrol is going up and up........but how can these come down.?......your man in the economics ministry still so busy with his personal problems playing politics, he has not even met all of his inner team yet to devise schemes. 

lge and tony pua are  still in a 'digging mode' and both still suspicious of their wholly bumiputra treasury top dogs , things are not moving....and the rest of the ministries are run by still wet in between the ears ministers who cannot differentiate between the wood and the trees! ", ts ming opined..

" frankly ts and ru, i hope bng wins semenyeh....that would put ph into panic station.
frankly i dont care whether in 4 years time azmin or anwar become pm or hishamuddin become his deputy or rafizi goes up in the cabinet........we the raayat deserve instituitional changes and reform and that will come with time and a lot of catharsis... we have to bersabr.
what we do know is that a repeat may 13th is an impossibility in this new malaysia.
the raayat don't care who become pm.

we want a corruption free government and if  along the way we have royalties behaving well and spending within their limits, this is tantamount to a bonus for the raayat.

in 2019, post ge14 ......it is not about the elites anymore...if you guys want to stay in power you better look after pak mat nyadaps and ah lee and muthusamy very well....otherwise ship out"

with that we conclude the evening on a high note.....






another article in an earlier blog: 'let us roast all of these clowns by the balls! '

http://drnikisahak.blogspot.com/2018/09/let-us-roast-them-all-by-balls.html

clever bastards this digital robbers!.........

friends, dato and tanseri,


clever bastards these digital robbers!
they conned me of rm19,500.50 just now about an hour ago.
their timing was very exquisite.

i just came back from umrah a week ago. my brain still racked with virus, my body aching all over especially my back from too much tawaf, and i was just finishing my last patient at the clinic in sjmc when there was a ring and a voice saying he is from high court kuala terengganu

" what is the matter? i dont happened to querrel or hit anyone in terengganu as far as i could remember? "

" no sir, but you have a high court case tomorrow in kt, subponae number blah blah, you better write it down........blah blah blah. it is public bank versus nik isahak wan abdullah, you have a credit card non payment of rm 40, 500.50 etc etc etc "

" i have no credit card with public bank....."

" you better speak to our officer sir...", another 10 minutes with a malay speaking gentleman, who at the end of the conversation surmised that i could probably be victim of  a fraud.
omg! what a way to put oneself into confidence

he took my statement for the court and said he would ask for adjournment of the case tomorrow.
he told me he would transfer the call to pejabat kontinjen polis kt , and after some delay got thru to the specific department.

i gave my statement to an 'indian' asp this time over the phone.
after sometime she said this is above her head, i also need to give statement to her 'boss' acp dato tan.

"please adresss him appropriately sir as he is my boss, tuan, would be appropriate i think"

" dont worry asp, i will call him dato.."

"doctor we recently caught a chinaman, ong ka tim, we suspect is a drug dealer. your public bank book and credit card are one of the 40's we collect from his keeping.......blah blah for another 15 minutes......" we need all your banking details as this also involve checking with bank negara blah blah blah "

" i don't have my detail with me now, let me go home and you call me back"

after 1 hour of conversation these bastards already have me 'goreng'!

"for the next 3 days or so we and bank negara need to monitor your account closely, so we will be in contact with you every 4 hours.....i am giving you a number here and you need to change your banking hp for these period of monitoring say in half hours time.
we will you a sim card by fast mail, and after the operation you need to send back the pin card to the department..", acp 'dato' tan sounds very convincing.

lo and behold while having tea at home at 4 pm,, i told my indonesian maid about it all.

" noor, some drug peddler in terengganu has got all my ic detail and using it to open a bank account under my name...the police and bank negara are handling it now~!....bloody bastard these people!"

then i realize it could all have been a fraud! a robbery only possible in this age of digital banking!

" sorry doc....they have taken 19,500.50 rm from your acount. they leave you with 20 rm....just 20 minutes ago....do you want to make a police report? ", said the pleasant looking cimb officer, matter of factly.

" it is ok marm.......i will go and have tea tarik downstairs at the mamak shop with that  remaining 20. rm.....then i will forewarn all my friends. these bastards are so good and suave.
they 'goreng' me today. "

this is digital robbery.
i would not waste my last 2 rm for even a police report.
innallillah hiwainna ilai hirojiun.
my dear mrs will hang me for weeks on this one!
the clever , plausible robbers have their day today.
insya allah i will have mine in yaumiddin!

'what is not mine is not mine, even when it is already almost past the throat!'
mashallah!

i still have my life to whisper to allah, alhamdullillah!

when i told my sons , nadzru and johan about my misshap over a late dinner,
johan consoled me,
" it is ok dad.....you still have your life"

alhamdullillah!
the family umrah has not been for nothing.

of apples and oranges........part 2

friends, dato and tanseri,

the more i listen to shaykh dr haitham al haddad's discourse on talaq, the more i can appreciate the degree of difficulties these boys in jakim, mais , maik etc and etc are faced with. 

they are a favourite punch bag for most ladies and even men!

talaq is a last resort, but islam ,unlike catholicism and to some extent judaism, recognizes that  marriages are not made in heaven.

some marriages are bound to fail due to mismatch ete etc  and etc....thus allah give us the privelege of talaq.

in england of ole it is not uncommon for the lords and barons to cement their wives into the walls of their castles, or arrange for them to be killed or poisoned!

such barbarism which still exist today in different forms....

listen carefully to the shaykh

dr nik howk

http://tafseerkoran.blogspot.com/2018/10/surah-at-talaq65part-2-with-shaykh-dr.html

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From: dato paduka biji sura
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2018 6:20 PM
To: Nik Isahak Abdullah
Subject: Re: surah at talaq, 65............more deeper on talaq

Talak is rapidly going out of date. It was 'useful' in backward and tribal societies where women are considered second class, and men bully and ill-treat their women. Talak came from a 6th Century desert tribal society. 

But today , with science and technology changing society and economic arrangements within it, talak surely faces an inevitable and well-deserved challenge from thinking minds.  With women well educated and able to work (many are accomplished professionals and earn high income (and pay tax) would talak not be exposed for its imbalance, unfairness to women, and its blatant misogyny? 

Surely it has no place in a 21st Century society - where  women are equal before the law, are well educated, and are respected by men.

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On Tue, 9 Oct 2018, 18:24 Nik Isahak Wan Abdullah, <drnikisahak@hotmail.com> wrote:

so what system do you suggest we use , dato paduka?

have you given time to listen to the good shaykh anyway ? 

that talaq is given to man only for a reason allah knows best.

otherwise all of us will be divorced many times over!

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From: dato paduka biji sura
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2018 6:33 PM
To: Nik Isahak Abdullah
Subject: Re: surah at talaq, 65............more deeper on talaq

dr nik , i don't waste my precious time listening to  him or people like him......

It is up to us in each society to think of the most fair and human solution for ourselves, right?  Why should we allow ourselves to be dictated today by people who lived in the past, and under different circumstances and level of enlightenment? Should we not bear the responsibility ourselves for our own lives?

Surely this is so obvious! 

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On Tue, 9 Oct 2018, 19:18 Nik Isahak Wan Abdullah, <drnikisahak@hotmail.com> wrote:

you are suggesting secular humanism to replace islam.......

marriage as a civil activity, and divorce at the civil court , or forget about marriage altogether....technically we 'live in sin' , better.
anyway 'sin'  is a just a definition of the 'insane'.
or am i putting words in your mouth

you have a better system sans islam........civil society, religion is just an opium for the lowly masses.
where  and when do you get this 'germ' germinated in your mind, dato paduka?

was it too much schopenhaur, immanuele kant, george bernard shaw , betrand russel or your favourite john stuart mill during your cambridge days??

cannot be karl  marx...

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From: dato paduka biji sura
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2018 7:25 PM
To: Nik Isahak Abdullah
Subject: Re: surah at talaq, 65............more deeper on talaq

So, you are for chopping off limbs?  That makes for a better society? 

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On Tue, 9 Oct 2018, 19:38 Nik Isahak Wan Abdullah, <drnikisahak@hotmail.com> wrote:

yes, yes.....if we are 100 % muslims  or majority  of  country agree to shariah....... yes, yes.

    and why not? our prison system is not working. i was talking to an ex prisoner the other day. 

    5 to  6 to a room with hardly elbow room to move is the norm. 
    dsai , when he was in sungai
    buluh had the pleasure of staying in the sick bay all the time. now that he is out , he is really up
    and about.
    unfortunately or fortunately for us , he is destined to be our next pm , but that is another story
    worth another blog issue for me to ponder on.

    but back to the syariah dato paduka, if it cures human ills , why not?

but that is an utopian dream.... because we will never be 100 %, not even 40 %..... because we have so called 'muslims' like you who would not agree.....and you guys are sizeable, i suspect.

and 100 % or 70 % or whatever is not just the criteria.....there must be 1st justice and welfare...... a thief who is poor  and hungry will not be qualified to have his hands chopped......

back to my question dato.........when and where do you get this germ of secular humanism?
oxford, cambridge or penang free school or was it rmc ?

just my curiosity

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From: dato paduka biji sura
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2018 8:46 PM
To: Nik Isahak Abdullah
Subject: Re: surah at talaq, 65............more deeper on talaq

Yes, yes???!!!!!  omg dr nik.

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2018, 08:23 Nik Isahak Wan Abdullah, <drnikisahak@hotmail.com> wrote:

and this is something you can never comprehend dato paduka
but you will subsequently
when you are in that 6' by 2' hole in the ground, insyaallah
but then it would be too late my dear dato paduka

😃😃😃😃😃😃😃😃😃

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We all will die.

My end will come soon. Very soon. I am not perfect, but l think l have tried to live a decent life, doing some good, and doing no harm to others. 

So l am not afraid of the end of my life.

D

I hold two Degrees - a BA (Honours) in Economics and Philosophy, and an MA. 

Schools? The 125 years old Victoria lnstitute in KL.

Universities. Two ancient universities, Oxford and Cambridge

I hope it answers your question. 

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2018, 19:23 Nik Isahak Wan Abdullah, <drnikisahak@hotmail.com> wrote:

....and that is not enough dato.

definitely not enough.

put yourself in the position as the ceo  and owner of the universe incorporated.
you have over the several milleniums,  90  to 100 billion slaves going thru the mill over time.

they live , procreate , and die.....

apart from YOUR rulings that they live and respect their brethrens who rub into their lives, ie their relation ship with fellow creations of his or her during his or her time on earth, YOU also set down ruling with respect to his relationship with YOU.

in your case you may have done very well with HIS creations but with respect to HIM, you don't even acknowledge HIS existence, let alone profess your love for HIM.

where should HE put you in HIS assessment?
your are a lousy slave. ain't you?!

Or (bethink thee of) the like of him who, passing by a township which had fallen into utter ruin, exclaimed: How shall Allah give this township life after its death? And Allah made him die a hundred years, then brought him back to life. He said: How long hast thou tarried? (The man) said: I have tarried a day or part of a day. (He) said: Nay, but thou hast tarried for a hundred years. Just look at thy food and drink which have not rotted! Look at thine ass! And, that We may make thee a token unto mankind, look at the bones, how We adjust them and then cover them with flesh! And when (the matter) became clear unto him, he said: I know now that Allah is Able to do all things.   al baqarah 256

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 from dato paduka biji sura:

The truth is, doc, we will all die. After that we don't know. We can speculate, or even believe, in the hereafter. But it is belief, not knowledge. Nobody can know it. There is a big difference between knowing and believing. One should not confuse the two. 

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ok dato we may have to part company here.

i enjoy the discourse but it is not going anywhere since on richard dawkin's scale of faith or rather non faith you are 5.5/6

you put knowledge on the pedestal  way beyond and very much above everything else and this reminded me of the arrogance of the fools!
reasons are just conjectures build upon premises.
premises, though appearing iron clad to most, may be founded on unsound foundation!

the secular humanist loves their brains and trust them 100 %.
beyond the 'brains' and reasons there are nothing else to them!

what you cannot see, measure or quantify.....is not there.

i wonder what goes on in christopher hichen's " world now " that he has been 6 feet underground for 3 years now. he is your favourite atheist.

or is  he now just all molecules and gases which has dissipated back into the cosmos. 

to be just recycled?

no soul, no nothing!

omg!

i wonder how your world without souls is ever like.

what do people like you think when you wake up in the morning?

i know a great number just like me when we wake up, right away say a prayer of shukr and a prayer of atonement before even we get up to pee.

your world must be pretty lonely and depressing.

nothing to look forward to.....

just 6 months away or 3 years away and you will be nothing!!  ....that is pretty depressing.

at least that vagabond at the corner of your street in sri hartamas can dream of having a mansion in paradise with a garden through which a river flow,  with flowers and fruits in abundance.... even though in this temporal world, his only claim to fame is a few cardboard sheets which he can claim as his private space to rest his tired back on in the coldness of his lonely nights on earth, in a world full of materialism.

writing about 'vagabond' reminded me of the great abdullah yusuf ali...the great qur'an interpreter about almost a century ago.

for a few years before his death , he was a vagabond who plied his way in the streets of london.

on one cold wintry morning he was found critically ill from a heart attack in front of an apartment block near westminster hospital.

was admitted but subsequently died.

the bloody british being british can be trusted to be quite fair.

they discovered his true identity and informed the pakistani embassy staff who finally gave him a proper muslim burial and organized for his body to be buried alongside another famous muslim of his time....a contemporary, pickthal who died earlier.

i often wake up in the middle of the night thinking why abdullah yusuf ali had this kind of ending...this apparent allah's wrath rained upon him even in his earthly lifetime.

my only conclusion is that unlike pickthal who was very much  incarcerated by the british public and power of that day for not lending his weight and influence over the muslim diaspora within the empire to rise up against the ottomans, abdullah yusuf ali used his all to get the indian muslims all up in arms against  fellow muslims at the battle of galipoli.

this is just conjectural on my part but i cannot fathom of any other reasons.

but back to our discourse dato......

my story on abdullah yusuf ali is not to disparage a soul long gone to see his maker

but his story has a connection with our discourse.

excellent knowledge alone is not paramount.

google .com has more knowledge than all the rest of us put together!!

it must be spiced with wisdom.

this is what i humbly think pickthal had over abdullah yusuf ali.

wisdom, wisdom, wisdom.
knowledge is cheap, my dear dato paduka!

may their souls be blessed amongst the beloved and the blessed

insya allah

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from puan khatijah hanson of milton keyne, Uk

Today, 12:21 AM

You

Dr Nik,

I have said this before. You re wasting your time with lost souls like Dato Paduka. I am not sure he believes in the Quran even. He is a Malay I can presume and lives his life like a Muslim  exteriorly I assume but his faith in Islam is suspect.

According to Muhammad Assad of the book "Messages of the Quran" about kafaru & al-ghayb.

"Kafaru" as in Ayat 2-6, indicates "a conscious intent meant for those bent on denying the truth". The dato is one of them.

"Al-ghayb" as in Ayat 2-3, denotes all those phases of reality that lies beyond the range of human perception and cannot therefore be proved or disproved by scientific observations. Those accepted as speculative thought are such as

1. Existence of God

2. Definite purpose underlying the universe

3. Life after death

4. Real nature of time

5. Existence of spiritual forces and their interactions.

Only a person who can accept or is convinced that ultimate reality comprises far more than observable environment, can attain a belief in God.

By pointing out that the Quran is a guidance for those who believe in the existence of that which is beyond  human perception, the Quran remains a closed book to all those whose mind cannot accept this fundamental premise.

To me, from the years of discourse between you Dr Nik and  this Dato Paduka, I firmly believe that he is a non-believer. His mind is closed to the the quran , hadiths and teachings of the quran.

Once he is a non-believer, he will have suggestions which are based on pure "logic" that his mind can accept only from the knowledge he has. His knowledge is limited by what he knows. He doesnt believe in the spiritual.

I believe you re wasting your time on this man. Leave him be. Let him die as he wishes. He doesnt believe in the hereafter.


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tq  puan hanson.
you are very kind.
i must admit to you that despite our arguments, i mean myself and the dato, we like each other very much!
i pity him actually.
it is not for want of trying....i have tried for years!
and it is not entirely dato paduka's fault.
i lack the intellectual and spiritual depth to get under and beyond his veil and armour