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Nik Isahak Wan Abdullah (email@example.com)
Sunday, 19 Oct, 2014 12: 07 AM
ru & dato nik ghohim,
1st and foremost ,ru, congratulations to you on a day when you have a new menantu....
'tak lama lagi boleh timang another cucu.'
to recap our discussion just now,
my retired ex-classmates from malay college ask you, ru ,today why 'nik howk bising2 pasal royalty...he does not stand to gain a single sen on the issue'.
some of my friends i must say have lost the passion for life, having just retired from active work for 5 years now.
it is not about money. it is not about having time to spare [ i have very little actually. even at my age and seniority, when my patients in the ward cannot pee or fart, the nurses call me ! ] it is not even about wanting to be known. it is about some semblance of bringing back some decent sense of justice and fairness to 1.5 million people who pray and doa the same doa as you and me. it is about being the quintessential kelantanese.
it is about four decades 'heart pain and ache' .
it is also painful to hear from ru that the very 'plaintiff' [ yb husam ] that brought the state 's case against the federal government, has been replaced.
i used to have a cliche about pas people in kelantan ' not being able to think beyond their kopiahs'. this is basically one good example of it.
dato ghohim talks about bringing oil thru bagan dato deep sea port to tok bali, refining it there and reship and repackage to china and the littoral states.
he has his detractors regarding its profitability , and i can see their points ie it save three days of sea journey [ so what , says the detractors ? ].
i look from the prospective of what does it open kelantan to? we still cannot , by the present rule of law, say get into partnership with say china to get oil and gas from block 303 or block damai independently. if it does, i wish to be his partner in crime.
unless of course we are thinking of secceding from malaysia, which is another issue of course.
the state of kelantan does not even have the fund to pay tommy thomas his initial legal fee and now that the principal plaintiff is not there speaks volumes of pas effort in the royalty issue.
i think their problem is not only financial. theirs is mainly lack of 'cerebration' and ability to think straight.
what do we do now?
a lawyer friend of mine says we do not have locus standi to bring a case against the irresponsible government.
faruqi of itm , the legal constitutional expert, thinks differently.
with already a pledge of 1 million usd in our war chest i think we should sit together again and may be we will be able to see some light at the end of the tunnel.
at least if we cannot bring the bastards to court and win the case, we shake these bastards a wee bit. we cannot relly on tok pha. he is just warming his .... in the cabinet.
tok pha , i can say again, has lost his marbles.........
i have better words for this but i will be polite here
when do we meet? may i suggest my house as the venue, over nasi kerabu and budu.
i am not available though next weekend and 1st week of november. the best qc that money can pay in gray's inn may just do the trick. i think 'royalty issue' is beyond even tommy thomas. we have to go offshore, even to ICJ if need be. let us work on it.
Nik.howk, i shall be happy to join wherever and whenever a good fight is promised. Except for the dates 22 to26th october. I am off to my australian counting house to count money to wager on the fight. Salam and regards, Azmi.
tq ts ming,
just consider this : the federal government in putrajaya , out of its generousity will in all be spending 70 million rm in total federal spending on kelantan in 2o14. if mr najib were to give this amount to 'ringgit malaysia' for her 'scatter-brained' kiddies project, she will have an epileptic fit.
it is high time we reexamine this concept of federalism in a 'formal ' way, if not in court , at least in the public sphere.
will this change with pkr in putrajaya , one might ask? i think not.....
even anwar ibrahim, with all due respect to him , relish his present relationship with pas because the ustazs in pas have not put on their thinking cap, and behave like a very junior partner. i doubt he has any positive thot on the oil royalty issue at all. remember that when he was the finance minister in Dr m's cabinet he did not lift a finger to correct the injustice and unfairness. he was a party, a very significant one, to the 4 decade long injustice and unfairness.
TQ for your most invaluable info on JDA , and Block Damar within the Kelantan basin.
From my limited understanding you mean you are telling me that Singgoro and the Province of Hatyai are getting 1.2 billion rm annually from Thai Petroluem PTT from the JDA area!!!!????
My question then to you my good friend , and you have to pardon my ignorance,
What happened to the 1.2 billion rm on this side of the equation?
Where does Petronas or the Federal Government siphon it off?
This make me feel sick in the stomach.
You are a good friend of Tommy Thomas who is handling the state's case against PETRONAS. could you ask him whether a group of concerned citizens can have a parallel suit against Petronas or the Govt on this issue?
If it is dowable , whether getting an offshore legal team would be better, given that local ones may be 'compromised' in their effort?
Your data on block PM 303, block Damar is quite confusing for me from the perspective of why Petronas chose to develop Pengeran which is at least 400 km south when its prospective buyer is Thailand. Thailand is just 40 km north of Tok Bali. They have to have their heads examined!
But that is beyond us, Nadzru.
We cannot control how these clowns think.
But 1.2 billion rm annually being siphoned elsewhere is another issue. This is criminal.
'Let us sue the bastards' while poeple like Ku Li, Tan Sri Aziz and lawyer Nik Saghir and Hasan Merican , all signatories and witnesses to the agreement, can still count their marbles.
Let us do it post-haste.
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From: Dato Rahim Kamil Sulaiman < Date:21/10/2014 4:37 PM (GMT+08:00) To: Dr Nik Isahak Abdullah Cc: Nadzru Azhari , Subject: Re: let us sue the bastards....... Nik Howk,
A lot can be done with $1m, especially on getting the Kelantanese to understand what the hydrocarbon economy (or the lack of it) can do to them. I still think that we should let TT & PAS focus on the legal -political fight. The parallel stuff I spoke about can be different from the work of TT & Co.
For a start, a few thousand ringgit can be used to locate the original corporate planning team of Petronas who first drew the PGU that extended north to Kelantan (near Bachok), then crossing Jeli into Gerik to complete the loop. Some $10,000 - $15,000 can be paid to a retired Petronas engineer to recalculate the optimum pressure distribution of the real PGU loop versus the false loop (from a parallel PGU I and PGU II). Another $50,000 to an ex-Saipem engineer (a believable whitee) to challenge the gathering of the northern fields and the new TCOT/GPP that will nail the argument of Tok Pa. Probably $20,000 to research and write on Kelantan joining the federation and why it is still sovereign.
$100,000 to review the JDA gas landing masterplan of Dorsch (I have forgotten the exact name) and revisit the Pantai Senok Integrated Petrochemical Complex so that Kelantanese will know how many $billions TDM has denied them and destroyed the GDP of Kelantan. What about MVJDA which is also offshore Kelantan.
When Karangkraft eventually gets cold feet and can't print about this matter anymore, then we can start with our own booklet or whatever. If SMV can be persuaded we can write the Titah Aluan of "Pelan Induk Alternatif Bagi Ekonomi Tenaga dan Hidrokarbon Kelantan".
I say this because I spend about $1m of my own money on researching and designing the TransOil project, getting the requisite policy approvals, detail route alignment, pipeline sizing and topographical-hydraulic profiles, DCF analysis for financial feasibility and a new legislation in Kelantan.
sounds very roundabout to me but if that is what engineers think we should go about doing it, so be it.
Public education for Kelantanese that are not educable. PAS aduns that are half sleeping and not able to think beyond their kopiah,....this is a lost cause.
etc etc etc etc and etc
Is the document of the jda and pm 303 [ block Damar ]; and the physical presense and present economic profitability from the Thailand Petroluem PTT not evidence enough of our governmental gross neglect and non compliance.
To my simple mind, it is not our business to educate the public. Yes, having a very major public opinion on our side is good for morale. Fullstop. We want to win a court case, but if the lawyers think there is nothing for Petronas or the Govt to answer to a small group of half mad individuals on the issue of their non compliance, then we have no issue suing them
We might as well meet for another briyani dinner and talk about Splash or the weather or how to make more money.
The issue of the day as i see it is this:
A Thai govt who several years back used to bundle Muslim youths at the back of their lorries and suffocate them alive, now sees fit to give 1.2 billion rm to a Malay- Muslim majority province of Singgoro and Hatyai annually for the last 10 to 15 years. It certainly has better perception of justice and fairness than our so-called 'Islamic' Govt in Putrajaya who for the last 4 decades treat 1.5 to 2 millions Malay- Muslims in Kelantan like a bunch of ignorant pariahs ! It is simple as that and nothing very technical. 15 years at 1.2 billion rm is about 20 billion and that is around 4 klcc twin towers. We will settle for a trifle less if Petronas and the govt are gentleman enough to admit and confess to a very public apology.
TQ Ru. A govt and national company that blatantly try trivialize an important moral issue involving justice and fairness for over 2 million Muslims overlying the 'Northern basin' [ kelantan basin has been conveniently changed to the new term 'Northern basin', as if they can con 2 million people ], need to be taught a 'legal' lesson. Let us not get lost in the 'trees and branches', for that is what these clowns wants us to be. nik howk