dato yeh,
maybe you are right.
you and ts wan ming have a bigger world view than mine definitely.....
wart, carbuncle and all though for all it's worth, turkey after being a pathetic beggar at europe's high table for over 70 years begging to join the union...only now has a 'mahathir' in its midst.
the pm's before him erbakan, tansu ciller, bulent eccevit, suleyman demirel, etc etc did not have much popular support.
in the midst of brexit, one who still wants to join europe must have their heads collectively examined! both the top and bottom!
joining eec now and sharing it's 'poverty' and debt is not critical for turkey.
turkey is no longer the 'sick man' of europe as it was a century ago.
spain, portugal, greece, etc etc, all are sick hanging for dear life to germany and equally sick france...
a banking collapse is imminent.
i have the feeling even 15 years back , if hypothetically, mahathir had his way with eaec [ east asia economic caucus ], an organized 'air plane crash' or an organized accident' could well be easily arranged.
and this easily solve all headache. but mahathir failed to persuade the japanese.
and the chinese then was less assertive as now.
so why should cia waste a bullet in his head?
one must never forget at around that time reagan had passed that controversial act of 'open covert action' as being entirely legal from the security perspective in the name of usa security.
i am deeply suspicious of uncle sam.....
i know you guys have close personal relationship with fethullah gullen.
i read his books.
he is a nice old man.
but even nice old man, america can made full use of, if it suits them.
you guys may say i am paranoid about america.
but we have always been proven right some 50 years later about this super rouge state, when the papers are free for citizens to read.
if they can organise assasination for president allende of chile, the iranian pm mossadegh and several others , what is the problem with yet another one?
not everyone in this world has the balls and the nerve to shoot down a russian mig!
..and escape unscratch.
erdogan is the best and most resilein that ever happened to turkey.
sadam, despite his brutality is the best for iraq 10 years back....compared to democratic iraq right now.
libya had some semblance of normality before they decapitate colonel muamar ghaddafy.
orghe bergheng dan supergedebe mache ergogan ni menatae america need to 'nip it in the bud'
the talk of introducing democracy is just bullshit
democracy carries no meaning if people cannot get clean water, no electricity and eat and sleep around where they 'shit', poor or non existent drainage and sewerage system and no health care.
at the end of the day it is all about usa security.....and to a large extent , its european allies.
the old man,dr m , is right.
the white irish protestant catholic 'race' is really bad news for everyone!
i stick by my conspiracy theory.
dr nik howk
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Re: conspiracy theory......'uncle sam' long and dirty hands!!??
aah dato yeh, of all people i do not expect you to buy this tall tale!
america and israel have been arming the kurds in eastern turkey
it is akin to the british weaponising the communist party of malaya to fight tunku abdul rahman, hypothetically.....thank god it did not happened.
an independent powerful, united, islamist minded turkey....
bring back the spectre of the ottomans almost a hundred years back.
dato yeh, you take history in high school and the u.
i did just 'cari makan' chemistry, biology and physic.
but i know, isis and a strong independent islamist bent turkey is a high octane combustible mix!
it is an obvious no no no for america and europe.
no. no no for the kuffar and the secular humanist and the millions of muslim apologists
erdogan has to go!
replace him with a compliant beer drinking, party loving military junta, anytime!
no islam please in turkey!
dr nik howk
[ http://www.islam21c.com/politics/the-muslims-of-turkey-an-inspiration-to-all/ ]
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from dato wan ariff :
Dear Dr Nik Howk
I don't say I believe those stories but I can certainly say I don't believe Erdogan's allegation that Fethullah Gulen was behind the failed coup.
I have many friends in Turkey and I know alot about
how much wealth Erdogan's family has amazed. The HizmetGroup has been very critical about Erdogan's abuse of power and the corruption that is rife within Erdogan's AKP party.
Wallahuaalam.
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dato yeh,
so where do we go from here dato
for a long while turkey was waiting for a leader than can make them'lift their head' above beggar status.
....now that he is corrupt
allegation or true, we dont know, ...even if probably true, do we then
'decapitate' this ' turkish mahathir' and let a junta set back turkey 50 years backward from the lane they previously thread.
between erdogan and the generals i would rather have erdogan...at least people can vote him out the next 'erection'.
if turkey need people to smash ' some brains on the tarmac' to get things going ,i would vote that kind of chap, rather than it be run by the military.
the turkish electorate seem to vote for that with their hands and feet and lives on friday night!
that speaks volume!!!!!
we present day muslims have to be very careful with what we hear and read and think...
the west do not wan tto have a strong man running turkey.
your friend fethullah gulen may not be complicit in the western ball game.
he is just a pawn.
if he wants to run turkey he has to win an election.
and by the way i love his writings.
dr nik howk
From: Azmi Wan Hamzah Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 12:48 PM
To: Nik Isahak Wan Abdullah
Subject: Re: before we move on to surah luqman.....uncle sam's long and dirty hands??
nikhowk, you should ask nadzru and my brother - they may have valuable insight as both have, i believe, some relationship with fethullah gulen's educational charities specifically and the hikmet movement generally. i would be careful not to assume gulen would lend himself to imperialist conspiracies. recep erdogan, unfortunately, has not proven entirely impervious to the actonian maxim that power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. salam, azmi.
